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[GMW Need More Help With Wikipedia] Robert Muller Article To Be Deleted
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Robert Muller's Wikipedia article has been substantially updated by an intrepid volunteer who is exhausted with dealing with the Wikipedia process.
Wikipedia still has Robert's article on the to be deleted list and the deletion can come at any time.
Here is the current substantially updated article:
Actual Wikipedia Article
Here is what it looked like before the current update:
Robert Muller - Original Wikipedia Article
More references with citations are needed according to Wikipedia.
A more in depth article on Robert Muller has been outlined. Help is needed with adding more text with citations, more references, word smithing, editing.
Here is the proposed in depth outline with some of the text:
Robert Muller - Proposed Update To Current Wikipedia Article
Help is much appreciated.
Below are more details, the less than helpful comments from Wikipedia editors, and specific items that need help.
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Need More Help Dealing With Wikipedia's Pending Deletion of Robert Muller's Article
Specific help is needed in dealing with Wikipedia on their proposal to delete Robert's Wikipedia article.
See, further on, for a list of needs of writers, researchers, proof reading, more reference articles on Robert, and help with dealing with Wikipedia.
If you can help in any way please reply to this email or send an email to: gmwnews@goodmorningworld.org
Below is an some idea of what some of the Wikipedia comments are like that were used to justify the abrupt deletion an article about Robert's Book - First Lady of the World, and the pending entire deletion of Robert's article from Wikipedia.
Some of the comments are off base, some absurd, some seem to have a prior assumption that Robert should not have an article and go out of their way to make sure this will happen... Some comments do not seem to have a real understanding of what the United Nations is about and how remarkable Robert's work is.
Some of the comments of the Wikipedia editors understanding of Robert are that Robert was simply another employee of some institution called the United Nations ...
Replies to Wikipedia with solid facts are needed to be entered into Wikipedia's discussion on deleting Robert's article before it is deleted - so the idea of deletion is no longer considered and there is more time to further substantially update Robert's Wikipedia article. It is an arcane process to make a reply that will be considered. If you want to reply on Robert's Wikipedia's pending deletion send an email to: gmwnews@goodmorningworld.org and the steps of the process will be sent to you.
Wikipedia expects a 'neutral point of view', identification of any conflicts of interest among other guidelines. These are expected of writer and the editors. It seems the Wikipedia editors may forget this at times and can be quite heavy handed especially to novices in trying to make substantial updates to articles. People that are anti the United Nations, anti people of peace should not be Wikipedia editors for these sorts of articles ...
Here is some of what it like dealing with the major editor of Robert's Wikipedia article and a few others that have made a few comments. There links to the full discussion further on.
Comments on deleting Robert Muller Wikipedia Article
- In response to objections to deleting Robert Muller's article from Wikipedia here is Wikipedia's replies:
- Thank you for your thoughts. However, Wikipedia does not exist as a promotional tool for a person's ideas - no matter how worthy. I still feel that this article should be deleted, but I will look (again) for some usable (i.e. reliable, independent) sources - if I cannot find those, I will take this to Articles for deletion, for a community discussion. I will notify you should this happen. Regards, PhantomSteve/
- 05:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Also, please have a look at our requirements on a neutral point of view. I'm sure Muller was a nice guy, but the article still must be neutral, not a CV or puff piece. We also don't need an exhaustive list of everything he ever did. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:31, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia Decision Making Comments - Robert Muller Article Deletion
No evidence that Muller meets the notability criteria. The article on Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations states Assistant Secretaries-General are often deputies within Departments or Programmes, reporting to their respective Under-Secretary-General - this would not appear to be sufficiently high enough to be inherantly notable, and Muller does not appear to meet notability on other grounds. ... PhantomSteve
20:04, 11 May 2012
... I note that you have said "we..." a lot - you are obviously representing someone, presumably the Muller organisation - and would appear to want to use Wikipedia to promote the (worthy) values of Muller. That is not Wikipedia's purpose.
The references you provided do not demonstrate adequately (in my opinion) the notability of Muller. They are either personal opinion pieces (such as the UN Memorial speech), or from sources which would not appear to meet the independence requirement or reliability requirement:...
- Secretary-General's remarks at Memorial Service for Robert Muller
- Personal opinion, from the organisation he was connected with (the UN). Not an independent source
- Good Morning World Blog
- Muller's own blog, this is a memorial wall. Not an independent source, and blogs are generally not considered reliable sources
- Goi Peace Foundation
- An organisation with no article (Goi, Goi Peace Foundation) on Wikipedia, and no indication that either the organisation or their awards are recognised as conferring notability
- World Harmony Run
- An organisation whose article World Harmony Run I have proposed for deletion, as I see no evidence that it is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia, or as a reliable source here
- East Beach
- As the publisher of some of Muller's works, they are not independent. Also, the bio here seems to be the bio found elsewhere for Muller - presumably a standard one issued by Muller/Muller's organisation - similar to a press release in effect, and so not independent
- UN Online article
- Written by Muller (so not independent) on a Robert Muller Schools International websiet
- Peace Pilgrim
- 2 short paragraphs mention him in a total of 4 sentences - not the quantity/quality of coverage required ...
- SGI Quarterly
- An article written by Muller (so not independent) published in an publication which doesn't even get a mention in passing on the publishing organisation's article.
- All in all, I see no evidence of his notabily sufficient to persuade me that I was wrong to nominate this for deletion. Others may feel differently, which is why we have this community discussion to make the decision, based on the consensus. And now, after 39 hours awake, I really must get to bed! Regards, PhantomSteve
- 22:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Having quickly looked through the article as it now is, I am still not convinced that Muller meets the criteria for inclusion. The sources on the whole appear to be either from press releases or from organisations directly connected with Muller - or they merely mention him in a list of names. A couple of the sources consist primarily of an interview with Muller which, though interesting, is effectively self-promotion/press-release-ish. For clarity, I still feel this article should be deleted. PhantomSteve
- Weak keep. Looks borderline notable from RS coverage. Article is poorly sourced though. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs)
- 21:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
21:25, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Comments on deleting First Lady of the World - Book Article - The full article was deleted.
Wikipedia Deletion Process - First Lady of the World
Excerpts from comments
This book does not appear to meet the notability criteria for inclusion, especially the criteria for books. The sources provided are either self-published, not reliable or give insignificant coverage of the book. PhantomSteve
08:14, 23 April 2012
I'm not sure that merging the content would be much use, beyond a short 1-sentence mention in the article. PhantomSteve
04:16, 1 May 2012
I'm not sure if "politics" or "politician" delsorts are relevant, as he wasn't an elected official! PhantomSteve/
04:16, 1 May 2012
The "dedication" section isn't relevant
the section on ECOSOC and Eleanor Roosevelt isn't relevant to Muller's article
Looking at Google, I can find coverage of this book at book websites, social media sites, etc - nothing to indicate that it is significant, and nothing in newspapers or in scholarly works. PhantomSteve
12:09, 2 May 2012
Please reconsider to keep the article instead of merge. It is the first novel for a woman United Nations Secretary General. Assumptions that Robert Muller was not notable are unfounded. A brief look at his website - would show he was extraordinary. Please allow more time to add appropriate information and citations to this entry.Kaczdan
02:19, 11 May 2012
The result was redirect to Robert Muller. Seraphimblade
06:26, 11 May 2012
[This means the First Lady article was deleted, and any old First Lady URL references now go to Robert's Wikipedia article - none of the First Lady article was moved to Robert's article.]
20:15, 11 May 2012 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Muller (add post script) (top)
The next update of Robert Muller's Wikipedia article can have the following contents. Suggestions for adjustments to the contents are most welcome.
Contents
- 1 Early life and education
- 2 United Nations Career
- 3 Multi-lingual Speaking
- 4 World Core Curriculum & Global Education
- 5 Author
- 6 University for Peace
- 7 Thousand of Ideas & Dreams for a better world
- 8 Honors and awards
- 9 Bibliography
- 10 References
- 11 External links
Need several people with Wikipedia entry skills
--- to find who at the United Nations is involved with updating Wikipedia and find someone there that can help put references to Robert in appropriate UN Wikipedia webpages.
--- to enter photos in to the Wikipedia system and add them into Robert's article
--- need people that know how to find helpful skilled contacts in Wikipedia - there may be a list of skilled Wikipedia people involved with the United Nations page - they can be very helpful
--- need people to enter Wikipedia updates for Robert's article
Need writers, researchers, people that knew Robert ...
-- Need writers to substantially update the writing of each of the sections of Robert's article
-- Need research people to add more citations and references in to the text of each section.
-- Need people that know Robert to review what has been written and note what has not yet been included - especially citations and their references
-- Need more references about Robert - especially books, magazines, newspapers - this is a major issue with Wikipedia...
If you can help in any way please reply to this email or send an email to: gmwnews@goodmorningworld.org
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Here are the related links showing what Wikipedia is doing:
Other related Wikipedia links
Robert Muller - Proposed Update To Current Wikipedia Article
Robert Muller - Photos 01 To Add To Wikipedia Update
Robert Muller - Photos 02 To Add To Wikipedia Update
Robert Muller - To Be Deleted Current Wikipedia Article
Robert Muller - Original Wikipedia Article
Actual Wikipedia Article - The Above Are From Copies At Various Stages
Wikipedia Decision Making Comments - Robert Muller Article Deletion
Actual Wikipedia Comments On Robert Muller Article Deletion
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